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| Posted By : Forum Admin - 5/28/2008 4:51 PM | | The following discussion is in reference to Ahmad's recent Ad-Hoc: Peak Demand Post Edited (Forum Admin) : 5/29/2008 12:32:14 AM GMT |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/28/2008 6:29 PM |
A Client said said... Don't you think our world today is totally different? In the end, demand on the margin in emerging markets is being driven by people entering the economy not by people who are part of it already. Seems another paradigm
Dear Friend,
Yes the world today is different and it isn’t. The Asian Tiger, The Chinese Dragon awakening all occurred in the years immediately following the collapse in oil demand, the whole region became a new entrant. Their GDP boom didn’t stop the OECD from severely curtailing demand for petroleum and go on a massive infrastructure investment in alternative energy. We are saying the same is very likely to happen today. After all the Asia Pacific region is more mature and itself could do with alternatives. |

| Posted By : Jan Bylov - 5/28/2008 7:17 PM | | Dear Ahmad - well researched and refreshingly to study these market forces which are yet another illustration of the human race's ability to adopt to an ever changing environment. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/28/2008 7:27 PM | Dear Jan - Isn't adaptation what human beings are best at, for better or for worst? Like you I remain optimistic that satisfactory solutions will be found.
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| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/28/2008 7:34 PM |
A client asked: said... I’m wondering if Ahmad has an “Oil Futures 101” writeup or something that might explain how Calpers putting a greater allocation of its money into the Goldman Sach’s Commodity Index or directly into oil through the futures market affects the real price that natural buyers pay.
It has been my thesis as Portfolio Manager for 3 years now that this was largely financial speculation driven by easy money and a low cost to carry. It has now gone well beyond anything I understand. Any insight Ahmad could offer would help.
Dear Friend,
I wish there was such a 101 in Oil Futures. I’ll answer your question in a way I think is true but I have to state that opinions on the impact of speculators in commodities are divided among professionals. I have just replied to another customer on the same subject earlier today so maybe I can copy you the body of the conversation:
Who is a commercial hedger is no longer clear.
Today “commercials” hold 827 million barrels of length (for sure almost the same in short positions but that’s not the point). In the early part of this decade they held between 300 and 400 million barrels only. World consumption hasn’t grown by 100% and “true” commercials that are classified as natural hedgers by the CFTC only hedge part of their production, never 100%, unless they are very small marginal producers whose finances are tied to hedging 100% of production (even that must have change in today’s environment). In fact big oil never hedges production at all. They only lock-in physical commitments with spreads which is their bread and butter since the time optionality associated with delivery has never been priced-in and is theirs for the taking.
So where are all these new 400 million barrels of “commercial” activity coming from? Well when an Investment bank option trader takes an order from one of its client like a “hedge fund”: “Buy me 40 million barrels Dec-09 OTM calls, will pay no more than 5%” the bank’s trader will make him a market (over time etc.) but then the bank’s delta hedging is now classified as a natural hedger and the option’s delta goes into the “commercial” classification. Now how do you disentangle between a physical hedging and a speculative hedging? The fact is that the bank’s hedging activity from its customer flow is not purely related to physical hedging. If it was then the open interest for commercials wouldn’t have changed so much.
Does that affect the price?
That’s an even more contentious issue. I am of the opinion that we’ve recently witnessed three types of hoarding of commodities:
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Price hoarding from commodity index speculation. (Type 1)
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Physical hoarding from some ETF contractual obligations. (Type 2)
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Commodity exposure hoarding for lowering a portfolio’s correlation. (Type 3)
The first point above, Type 1, constantly adds volume on the buy side which forces higher price level regardless of the fundamentals of the underlying market. Yes for every buyer there is a seller but then why does price change? It changes because of tiny liquidity gaps where no seller can be found or not much volume is to be found on the sell side, forcing buyers to chase volume at higher price. Speculation is a natural phenomenon associated with open markets and it serves a valuable purpose. Today, however, the decision to enter the long side is mainly based on price momentum which feeds upon itself. That can and will disappear, however.
The second point, Type 2 is worrying because if you hoard physical commodities purely to satisfy contractual demand based on price then that commodity will not reach the markets in times of penury. After all there’s nothing like penury to send price higher so hoarding becomes even more attractive.
I'll explain the third point, Type 3. In 2006 I attended several workshops on ETFs. It became clear that portfolio managers only interest was on diversification through low to negative correlation. Price had no meaning. If a manager bought oil at $200 and its price fell to $100 the manager would keep on buying as long as it served its beta purpose.
Now if enough players enter a market to hoard for any of the three reasons above then we reach a stage where price gains momentum and sustains it purely on that buying decision. If we look at the price of oil, historically a price trend never lasted for more than 3 months. Now we've been in an uptrend for over 18 months and that trend keeps on accelerating. So hoarding type 2 and 3 kill the purpose of price acting as a signal. The only signal we get today is that price is getting higher which in turns motivate price hoarding (type 1).
The purpose of government inventories is to store in years of plenty and release stocks in meager years. A practice that dates back since Joseph interpreted the dream of the seven fat cows followed by seven lean ones.
In my view none of the points above achieve a smoothing out of commodity supplies and certainly not type 2 or 3. In that case price signal has ceased to exist (we don't rely on dream signals anymore). It is just incidental that today's oil markets could do with a price spike to shake-out consumption behaviour (some readers will beg to differ, I know).
While I do not doubt that demand behaviour is changing we are in no ways assured that a serious slowing in demand will in any way affect the price uptrend. So far it hasn't for oil.
That's why I believe that Michael Masters' analysis and recommendations are extremely relevant. What I think is being missed in reading his analysis is precisely that current hoarding will never achieve a smoothing out of supply. That is the point that was very clearly understood in the early years of 20th century America by market regulators. And to ensure that price will keep on acting as a signal to stabilize supply/demand balances, regulators then had to seriously limit non-commercial position size. That has completely disappeared today.
I’m not too sure that qualifies for a 101 in oil futures and would be happy to clarify further.
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| Posted By : Andy - 5/28/2008 10:22 PM | | At the end of the day, while there has clearly been an enormous amount of "commodities as an asset" money coming into commodities markets, none of these buyers are end users. I might be completely misguided here but in my mind, even though CAL-Pers might own many oil futures, they can never actually take delivery of the oil. At some point, the oil futures must get sold to some actual user in the spot market. With significant flows from these "financial buyers" coming into the markets, this fact might currently be oscured but it seems an important consideration. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/29/2008 2:35 AM | Actually holders of futures contracts can always go for EFP (exchange for physical) which would move them onto the spot market. The rules are that 3 days prior to expiry you cannot hold any large quantity of futures contracts. This is to avoid having anyone cornering the market at expiry. So any player, whether long or short, will have to roll his position to the second nearby or exit some time before expiry.
Whatever they do will not involve anyone on the spot market which is a very different market, although it prices off as a differential to the prompt futures.
So what futures do will affect the price level on the spot but futures are not laid-off to the phsyical market unless you want to take delivery. Today there can be up to 500 million barrels traded on WTI prompt futures alone. The world only consumes 85 million barrels a day. There's no connection. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/29/2008 1:03 PM |
A Client said: said... even if demand peaks (it has too, cuz u can't consume more oil than there is supply), supply will fall of the cliff faster in the next 5 years. Russia, Mexico, Indonesia, North Sea, OPEC are all in decline, who is going to pump more oil? Canadian oil sands output will increase by only 1mb/day by 2012 and Kashagan will produce 1.8mb/day by 2020. So, we have 2.8mb/day extra by 2020. Have u seen how fast Cantarell is declining - it dropped 24% last year. Ghawar has also peaked. There is a shortage of geologists, equipment, drilling rigs and rising costs of developing new fields. Plus roughly 65% of oil reserves are in nations that won't allow foreign companies to develop. So, where is the oil going to come from?
Oil tankers in the Persian Gulf are there because the refineries in Asia which refine heavy Iranian crude are closed for maintenance, it has nothing to do with lack of demand at these high prices.
Only time will tell but I am convinced that we will NEVER produce more than 85.5 million barrel per day of conventional oil - NEVER.
Dear Friend,
In fact you are adding water to our mill even if we disagree on the supply side. All the more reasons to have a serious revue of the sheer amount of waste from the demand side. What really struck me is that over a third of all barrels are consumed to go from A to B within city limits by car. In our day and age it sounds like an anachronism.
There are precedents for tackling efficiently city transportation and Europe stands out as the only region to have never exceeded its petroleum demand since 1979. In fact Europe today could still do more on that front and probably will. But the emphasis now will be on fast emerging markets to find solutions to its use of petroleum. The city of Abu Dhabi where I currently live is going onto a very large mass transportation infrastructure investment. Gasoline is so cheap here that it’s not even worth counting how much you pay at the pump. But roads are used to capacity and there’s no parking space anywhere.
Even if we never produce more than 85.5 Mbd of conventional oil, and I’m in the ball park with you on that number, I can say hand on heart that big oil is on an R&D binge to find new liquids for transportation. Brazil did find those after the second oil shock and has never looked back.
Peak oil doesn’t mean it’s the end of the world. I think it’s a mistake to draw that kind of conclusion. |

| Posted By : sandid - 5/29/2008 6:07 PM | As a geophysicist I think the world’s ability to find more oil is only restricted by a lack of exploration capacity, not a lack of oil in the ground.
But on the speculator issue, would it not be simple to tax away any bubble effect by demanding a high stamp duty on every trade? Commercial users that are hedging could then be given a refund when they actually consume the oil. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/29/2008 9:29 PM | Dear Andy, Thanks for you insights on oil reserves. This is the subject of very intense debate within the industry itself and for now only time will tell.
On speculation one of its great success is that the leverage achieved with futures is tremendous. For a mere 7% deposit you can buy as much oil as you can afford. With price until recently being a one way street this attracted many speculators.
Would the initial margin deposit to enter futures be 50%, my guess is that we would have seen far less speculation as players would have had to think twice as hard whether it made sense to keep on buying. In any case that much less funds would have been allocated to speculation since its leverage would only be 2 to 1.
But leverage works both ways. When price starts to fall, if you get out at a loss, your loss becomes 14 times your initial bet. That is usually an incentive for greater consideration before entering into a position but once a powerful trend develops, speculators tend to forget about it. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/31/2008 3:15 PM |
A client said: said...
On the hot topic of oil, I have heard this morning one new potential explanation arising from a leading French economist
He put forward that since rational factors cannot fully explain the current oil price, you should go back to the initial assumptions, ie hard datas.
He reminded us that Chinese official statistics can be questionable and time to time politically biased. As well Saudian Arabia official data for oil production.
So he suggested that maybe real Chinese oil consumption can be up to 4MT higher than official figure, while Saudi Arabia production could be 2Mt lower than official production level ...
If this true or maybe just partially true, you can start to explain the current level for oil price. Dear Friend,
There's one thing the industry is famous for, it's losing barrels of oil into the ether and finding then somewhere else at a later date.
But I wouldn't put to much into these statistics. What really matters today is that oil is being offered at a discount for prompt deliveries. A physical trader would only do that if he can't find a home for his barrels, it's like selling jeans on sales at the retail outlet to get rid of stocks and entice customers to buy.
Maybe those that bid the price higher have gone way beyond what the physical market is telling us. In fact I do agree with the economist that something is not rational, physical oil at a discount while futures oil at record price levels. One of these two markets got it wrong.
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| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/31/2008 3:22 PM |
A Client asked: said...
Hi Ahmad, Thanks for your very thought-provoking oil reports. Herewith an exchange of emails with an oil analyst at a bulge-bracket brokerage house. Could you please give me some thoughts on his reply?
1 - From me
Should we be dumping oil stocks and running for the hills? The following arguments might suggest we should...Any chance you could ask around your more savvy colleagues?
-China demand, geopolitical conflicts, peaking of oil reserves etc are all (debatebly) valid reasons to be bullish about oil. However, none of these factors has changed in the last 6 months, while oil prices have gone into orbit.
- Oil demand is increasing less rapidly than OPEC production. OPEC spare capacity should rise to 5mbpd by 2H08, equal to 50% of Saudi daily output. Iranian and Arab oil tankers are sitting offshore full of oil they cannot sell. OPEC thinks current prices are crazy (viz Saudi snub to Bush's request to raise output).
- Global derivative contract oil exposure is roughly equal to 82bn barrels, or 3x the annual global oil trade and 26x open interest in NYMEX crude futures.
- Oil demand destruction can happen pretty quickly. New infrastructure, transportation and construction in developing countries are much, much more oil efficient than previously. China is going to get nowhere near US per capita oil consumption; to extrapolate this is lunacy.
- Several measures suggest that gasoline demand destruction in the US could be imminent
- Several countries are considering removing or lowering oil product subsidies which could accelerate demand destruction.
- Brokers are (only now!) starting to upgrade oil price forecasts.
I would respectfully disagree with all the points except the point that demand destruction can happen quickly (which I agree) and the fact that brokers are getting more bullish could definitely be a short-term contrarian signal. I think a lot has changed in last 6 months on S/D side in terms of global power problems boosting diesel demand and Russia oil supply now declining. I do not agree we will have 5 mn b/d of OPEC spare capacity anytime soon. Subsidy removal and US demand destruction are good points, but in our view now needed to reduce global demand down to levels of available supply. If supply is barely growing, demand cannot grow faster so US demand has to decline to make room for non-OECD demand that thus far has been price inlastic. No subsidy cuts yet in China or Middle East. Derivative impat way overstated in our view. If he makes the claim that S/D has not changed that much in last 6 months (which again I disagree with), you can't claim all the derivatives activity has suddenly taken place in last 6 months...most of those contracts were all there as well in 2007.
We definitely think a short-term pullback can always happen and would be quite healthy. We are buyers of the dip.
Dear Friend,
Thanks for you kind comments. Let me go through it point by point, but first let us be clear that I am looking at longer term trend whereas brokers line of sight hardly goes beyond 6 months.
- Yes there is a global power shortage. China has closed coal mines so diesel is burned instead. SA has power shortages, even the Gulf countries have power shortages. In fact Kuwait routinely rotates black-outs in the summer, imagine. So that puts a lot of upward pressure on diesel, gasoil and fuel oil. BUT that is going to disappear over time. Kuwait and the UAE want to build coal fired plants, Oman has large reserves of coal to offer. The whole ME wants to go Nuclear, Turkey has put 3 tenders for nuclear power stations, Solar plants are being built etc. Power is the biggest headache in fact, not oil.
- Spare capacity is a function of both demand and supply actually. If supply remains the same but demand goes down then spare capacity goes-up. Does OPEC have the ability to add 5 Mbd to current production levels? Yes for sure! What they don’t have is enough materials and manpower to bring that about, there simply aren’t enough petroleum engineers around the world to satisfy all projects for exploration. To that we say thanks to the $10 per barrel of 1998 as a result of which all big oil and service companies fired anyone above 52 years old under the belief that oil will remain in the teens for ever and engineers won’t be required anymore.
- Should Saudi Arabia add 5 Mbd of production when the President of the United States in his Union Address says explicitly that his country will stop imports from the ME and replace those by home grown solutions by 2020? That’s a value judgement. What the Peak Demand paper didn’t show was that OPEC’s production following the demand destruction of the second oil shock went down from 31.3 Mbd in 1978 to 16.9Mbd in 1985 as production out of Europe climbed by a third and OECD by 50%.
- Russia’s production is stalling. Russia is changing taxation laws to boost investment in production.
- Total open interest in WTI futures stands at 2.3 billion barrels or 1 billion barrels more than a year ago. When the price goes-up and someone on the trading floor asks why is price going-up, the silly answer is invariably more buyers than sellers. But that’s the true answer, sellers will be parsimonous with their offer so buyers have to keep on bidding higher to entice sellers. Split this extra 1 billion barrels in half, 500 millions on the buy side and 500 million on the sell side, and to me at least that’s a lot of bidding needed to get hold of volume.
What the paper aimed to show is that the demand side has its role to play in easing supply/demand balances. The last oil price shock brought that about. A massive rethinking of energy usage went under way in the 80s. I think the same will happen today.
I hope that clarifies somewhat your concerns. For sure the debate about Peak Oil is not going to go away until there is a meaningful addition to spare capacity. The IEA estimates that spare capacity will double from about 2Mbd today to 4 Mbd by end 2009. One of the chicken and egg situation is that at current prices of developing new fields, bringing spare capacity online just to satisfy the Peak Oil crowd is just not worth contemplating. Would you spend your firm’s money on idle production?
Today the physical market is weak to very weak. The broker you talked to doesn’t seem to be involved in it. If you want a better picture you should ask a physical broker to give you a view of the current situation. Why is the physical market currently selling oil for prompt delivery at a discount? If oil is so sparse shouldn’t it sell at a premium? Or is it that physical traders have lost their marbles?
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| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/31/2008 9:37 PM |
A Client said... I guess my point was more that part of the underlying demand drivers in EM are not as sensitive to demand substitution as the analogy to the 70's and 80's would imply - i.e. the middle class guy in Beijing reacts to economic stimulus in a somewhat normal fashion in comparison to any OECD citizen (beta adjusted), but that same guy when he entered the economy (from being a peasant or whatever) is "new demand" for oil that is price insensitive on point of entry. It's fair that higher prices on balance mean less people entering the market economy, but each person that does enter is insensitive to price until he becomes a normal economic participant. If the above is true (I dropped out of school before I could finish my economics degree) then the reaction of China/India demand destruction should be very muted relative to the OECD experience, no?
Dear Friend,
There’s a lot to be said on the subject you’ve raised. New entrants in the EM are by and large at the factory floor level and that’s why the overwhelming share of energy consumption in those places is still found in the Industrial and Manufacturing sectors. I would even argue that until that new entrant runs his own car, his energy consumption must be much less than at the farm because he has now joined economies of scales through population density.
Now if we look at vehicle consumption then Emerging Markets are much more price sensitive than Developed countries. Not only are the numbers there (sorry I just can’t remember where I last read on the Price Elasticity of gasoline consumption) but intuitively it make sense because of the energy price to disposable income factor. In Indonesia, the myriad of tiny yellow vans used as taxis only refill 1 or 2 litres at a time. They get the fair, they go to the side of the road stall, they refill, they drop you; and that’s for heavily “bio” blended fuel sold at subsidized price (not for long anymore).
So I believe that the emphasis is really at the development and planning level. Up to now we are thinking governmental bodies by I think industries and factories that are large consumers will review their energy sources as well. The price is really there as an incentive for energy efficiency. That means, for example, choosing between quickly erected gasoil jet turbines for power production or a more thorough approach to long term energy modes. The difference between the two are likely to be found purely at the financing level. Burning gasoil is more a running cost, renewables a capex.
So where will the demand destruction be found in Chindia? Probably never because they are just moving along the demand curve for energy but petroleum is not the only source of energy which is the case we’ve made: The Chinese consumer will never reach the level of the US consumer per capita. That’s because the Chinese consumer is a new entrant with a greater scope of choices for his initial decision. That decision will affect his long term disposable income. The West has to deal with a legacy. The East is building its legacy today.
Would you agree?
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| Posted By : daleyendecker - 6/3/2008 9:54 PM | | Just returned from a week in Seattle and Vancouver. Had never been there before. Spent most of the time in Vancouver, a pretty keen place for sure. What struck me as most interesting is their taxi's. I don't have any official data but it seemed to me that about 80% of their taxi's were Toyota Prius'. I didn't spend enough time in Seattle to get a feel for that market, but there too I saw a lot of Toyota Prius' as taxis. It makes obvious common sense. Why drive a taxi 80,000 miles a year that gets 18 miles per gallon when you can drive one that gets 45 miles per gallon? I can now "see" Manhattan soon full of Toyota Prius taxis. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 6/3/2008 11:45 PM | | Dear Daleyendeker,
Thanks for sharing that with us. Indeed it makes perfect sense to have highly fuel efficient cars for taxis. In Hong Kong a great many taxis run on LPG which is less polluting. London is having a pilot scheme of buses running on LNG, even one bus on hydrogen. I believe all Swedish car, van and bus fleets belonging to local authorities are also running on alternatives.
With new generations of hybrid engines due to come out by the end of the year we should expect more of those. Tata, the Indian industrial company, actually bought the rights to manufacture and sell cars, vans and buses that run on compressed air. These cars do about 62 miles per litre (not gallon).
I would expect a lot of change on car transportation efficiency. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 6/4/2008 3:28 PM |
A Client asked ...
Attached please find a recent piece by Charley Maxwell. Charley is one of our consultants and has been instrumental in helping us understand the concept of rising demand meeting an inelasticity of supply well over 7 years ago. We love GaveKal's research and insights but note that most of the writings related to oil over the last few years have proved to be mostly wrong....at least so far. I'd be curious as to your thoughts on Charley's comments, especially given your recent Peak Demand piece.
Thanks and hope you are well
Dear Friend,
Alas it is GaveKal’s misfortune to have recruited someone who doesn’t believe in Peak Oil at a time when the markets are buying that argument. At least I can consol myself that even Charles Maxwell, whose paper you kindly forwarded, only predicted an average price of $78 for 2008 (in Feb-08) although he is a proponent of Peak Oil. My forecast for 2008 made in Q4-07 was for $70. Given the current parabolic rise in oil price of late, for getting back down to an average of $70 the market will have to revert all of its gains made in the first half of this year and more. It is feasible and it may very well turn out that way although caution would suggest raising that price target to $90 which is where the market priced December 2008 on the first trading day of January 2008.
I will not enter into an argument on the supply side now because I am working on a large paper to be published soon. I will make a few other comments on Maxwell’s paper:
- 10% to 12% capacity cushion must be restored: at today’s numbers would imply that the industry has to have a minimum of 8.5Mbd of spare production capacity (and rising). This sounds wholly unrealistic in terms of supply side economics, although I note that in January 2002, OPEC’s spare capacity alone was in fact 6.5Mbd. Spare capacity is a function of demand and supply growth. That number changes not least due to elasticities as you rightfully pointed out. The elasticity of demand is clearly much faster than the elasticity of supply for the obvious reason that driving to fill the tank to a gas station is clearly much faster than bringing a new oil field to produce.
- At current price levels, maintaining such a large spare cushion is horrendously expensive. What really matters is understanding the behaviour of the demand side and accurately predicting future growth in what types of oil and sectors and invest accordingly; leads and lags will be taken care by price for the intermediary adjustment. What I clearly did not foresee is how far the market will take price away from the marginal cost of production of the marginal barrel. $65 is about the right marginal price on a fundamental basis at today’s massively inflated input costs. The market is pricing a 100% premium over that. The last time we saw that was in fact just before the first Gulf War. Here I take my share of responsibility for not seeing it coming.
- Spare capacity is also a function of the ability to refine the oil and that has been badly lagging in the biggest consuming areas.
- Supply chain management is so much more efficient than it were in the 1970s. Today oil is no more than 10 days away from any consumer, from the point of production to the point of delivery (that’s for the primary sector). As a result stocks need not grow as much as in the past which means that the cushion can be less. So the best measure I can give you is that “days cover” currently at 52.5 days in the OECD is about 22.5 days above lead times for tertiary supply in the OECD and if you’re less sanguine, 12.5 days for other markets. The cushion looks good to me. And you can double it if you include strategic reserves.
I guess it all boils down to whether one believes in peak oil or not. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 7/23/2008 8:20 PM | I must say after reading the Peak Demand article I have jumped off the Peak Oil bandwagon. It seems to me that the trend is away from oil now and it will not be reversed. When you look around any major developed city it is easy to see how much oil we waste..like all those SUV's and family wagons doing the daily commute with only one person inside. If you think the ancient Romans were a little silly using lead water pipes then we are even sillier pumping lead and other pollutants into the air we breath when we have alternatives. The other day here on TV in Japan I saw they even have a train running in some rural area on used cooking oil!
I think the recent surge in oil prices has given a nice push along to the development of alternative energy sources and as these technologies are refined they will become more viable and spread to throughout the developed and developing world. It will take time, but let's not forget it was not that long ago the typewriter reigned in the office! |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 7/23/2008 9:14 PM | Dear Greg, I'm glad the Peak Demand paper made you change your mind. Since you are living in Japan let me tell you that Japan sits on one of the biggest gas reserves in the world. The snag is the it is a very difficult gas to extract and the technology to do so is very expensive. Yet the Japanese have managed to extract and produce a similar one in Canada and there is hope that they will be able to start producing their own soon enough. If they manage it they should become 100% self-sufficient in energy within a decade with reserves lasting around 90 years. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 7/23/2008 10:30 PM | Hi Ahmad,
Yes I have seen that news as well. There are also oil and gas reserves in the Sea of Japan but these are tricky to access due to political reasons. (even the name of the sea is being disputed!)
Cheers! |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 7/24/2008 4:37 PM | That's for the sea of Japan with disuputed boundaries and access with China (just been resolved last month actually).
I'm refering to fields in the South |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 7/24/2008 5:54 PM | | I think Ahmad you will find they have resolved one of just many issues to do with resources in the Sea of Japan. I think there are delicate issues everywhere in that sea and in the waters between Japan, Korea and China..not to mention Taiwan. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 8/6/2008 4:42 PM | Ahmad,
A couple of questions:
1. Do you see the recent correction in the oil price as further supporting your Peak Demand argument?
2. Do you think the recent higher oil prices have caused enough worry to trigger an irreversible move away from oil where possible and some significant long term investment in alternatives? (as opposed to things reverting to the norm if oil trades around $100)
Greg |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 8/6/2008 5:20 PM | Dear Greg,
as a quick answer since we will publish soon about these questions.
1. I think Peak Demand has become mainstream now and that should accelerate as price subsidies keep on being removed or lowered. If energy prices keep on falling the incentive to remove them altogether will become greater. Then will see what is the true demand from EM. Afterall current demand keeps on getting weaker, future demand is seen even lower than at present and world growth is seen as slowing. Meanwhile imports are slowing, refinery runs are slowing, stocks are building and pure refining companies are seeing distrastrous falls in their YoY profits. Supply demand balances are improving as a result and should get much more comfortable next year.
2. I believe that oil prices have stayed high to very high long enough to radically change not just consumer behaviour (the prime example being the collapse of light trucks purchase in the US) but also at governmental level. Again the US is the most vociferous example or most visible one. Besides drilling for new oil there is ample talks and action taking place on the renewable space, especially for the production of electricity from wind and solar to displace natgas away into a transportation fuel.
The French President has even proposed that the North African desert should be used to build solar power plants and its output sent to Europe. Theoritically it is feasible.
Many proposals won't see the light of day but what matters is that they are openly aired at the highest level. So we are exactly where we were after the first oil shocks with a search for alternatives which means getting more power and less driving.
I believe the change will be permanent and also that countries like China have every incentive to move away from oil towards alternative solutions on a large scale and pull a similar type of policy (and growth) as Japan did in the 80s. |

| Posted By : Rob Hawcroft - 8/6/2008 8:28 PM | In terms of economic cost partity, due to the rise in coal, gas, oil prices etc the cross over for solar and wind power generation cost versus the cost of generation from fossil fuels is now in 2010 in many European countries. After which power generation will be cheaper by alternative means.
On the other hand I was thinking about the effect of high Ag prices. High Ag prices should trigger a move away from labour intensive peasant farming in EM, esp. Asia and towards a scientific, industrial farming approach used in the OECD over a 5 or 10 year period. This should trigger a surge of the now surplus labour force into the cities, which will presumably require more metals and energy but also be deflationary? |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 8/8/2008 7:35 PM | Dear Rob,
You are making quite a few hypotheses on agriculture.
In a recent paper: Comparative Advantages: Oil vs. Land (http://gavekal.com/redirectdoc.cfm?r=1&id=3933&rn={ts%20'2008-08-08%2019:18:31'}&CFID=368689&CFTOKEN=40290937) we talked about how Africa's farming is likely to become much more efficient thanks to large FDI from land poor but cash rich countries such as the UEA.
Will the same happen across Asia? We do not have any particular view that this will happen, although if it did then in theory this would increase efficiency.
so working with a theoritical yes we'd now have a new labour force entering cities. By and large cities are more energy efficient per capita than the country side so there is no clear evidence that that new labout force would add to energy demand. the net effect from more efficient farming methods and new city dwellers could be a net saving on energy.
on that note it is interesting to find that the latest "Energy Use Per Unit of GDP" figures out of China are showing a 2.88% fall year to date, thus as very large numbers enter the cities.
But regardless i think hard to draw hard conclusion on the hypothetical questions you've raised other than China's precedent shows efficiencies.
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| Posted By : Rob Hawcroft - 8/10/2008 5:51 PM | My experience is that most people who have a farm in Asia would be very reluctant to let go of it for historical and cultural reasons, however most of them have their children in school, and the prospect of scraching a living in a few acres of land must be a lot less appealing to them than their parents who have fewer options.
In Ireland in the 50's or 60' the government forcibly reorganised small holdings by buying out some of the larger farmers and reshuffling land holdings coersively so that those farmers who wanted to continue would have to have a farm of a reasonably scale and the small holder was either forced to sell or buy more land. |

| Posted By : Will Denyer - 8/11/2008 3:13 PM |
Thanks for your comments Rob. From my experience, living in rural USA, farmers will change in accordance with the times, if they need to—even if this occurs between generations as you suggest, rather than in the midst of one person’s working life. But like everyone else, farmers will have a tendency to resist the change in favor of the status quo. These tendencies are eventually overpowered by the market’s constant insistence on reallocating resources for more efficient use, but only if the market’s signals are allowed to reach the farmers. And for some reason, the farming sector has been particularly successful at getting the US taxpayer and US consumer to fund the manipulation of market signals and the preservation of the status quo (whether through subsidies, tariffs, etc…).
A few years ago, I attended a farm bill meeting with a senator from Idaho, and found myself to be the only non-farmer. I remember one farmer saying to the Senator: “I keep getting offered more and more money to sell my land (this was during the housing boom), and with the price of my crops going down and my costs going up, I may just sell one of these days.” This was meant as a threat to the US Senator (i.e., “Do something Senator, or I’ll sell the farm, move and vote for someone else.”). Someone else later said: “I want to keep farming, but prices are just too low. We need the government to figure out some way to reduce supply and prop up prices.”
Finally, I stood up and suggested the economist’s solution to these problems (in stark contrast to the politician’s solution): “Why don’t you, Sir, sell your land for the pretty penny you have been offered (by someone who clearly thinks they have a more productive use for the land). You can then fund your retirement and/or pay for your kid to go through college (so that he or she can enter a more profitable industry). This, in turn, may also help the guy who still wants to farm, but is complaining about low prices. After all, you will have allowed the market to naturally drive down excess supply. And the advantage of allowing the market to drive down supply naturally, rather than the Senator’s proposal to “pay farmers not to farm” and tax emerging market farmers out of competitiveness, is that the efficiency gains that result will also help the average US consumer (such as the same kid you are sending to school), the US taxpayer (again, your child will soon be an example) and the EM farmers.
I was expecting to get chased out of the room, and while the politician was quick to discredit such ideas as “too simplistic”, the farmers were surprisingly receptive of such suggestions. In fact, after the meeting concluded, I found more of them came to talk to me about my proposals than turned to the Senator. Clearly, US politicians continue to buy farmers’ votes with the earnings of the US taxpayer/consumer, but this experience gave me hope that farmers will adjust in accordance with what the economic realities of the time require, but first we have to pry their attention away from the politicians who aim to stand in the way of progress in favor of keeping their established voter pools dependent on the government (and the forced charity of the general population) for survival. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 8/13/2008 8:59 PM | Hi Ahmad,
The question I have is will "The Empire Strike Back'?
A lower oil price is not good news to the oil empire, so I am wondering if there is anything they can do to stimulate oil demand and creep the prices up again?
For example, is there any such thing as environmentally friendly oil? (or some other way they can repackage themselves?) Or perhaps the oil companies launch an assault to discredit biofuels for example?
Cheers,
GregPost Edited (Greg Atkinson) : 8/13/2008 11:57:25 PM GMT |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 8/14/2008 3:45 PM | |
Dear Greg,
The best way to stimulate oil demand is for price to fall down significantly below $100 and remain there. That’s the catch-22. The Saudis, I believe, have understood the current risk of substitution that high oil prices bring and are extracting and supplying at their highest rate since the second oil shock, to bring down prices.
There is some environment friendly oil, mainly natgas. Shell’s the leader in the technology and is building a very large refinery in Qatar to make LPG out of natgas. Costs overruns are very large and it’s still a new technology. It would take at the very least a decade to have a meaningful substitution if everyone started now.
Biofuels from crop is just an intermediary step to biomass. By 2012 we should see more biomass refined into syncrude and by 2015 biomass should massively overtake crop. In any case crop based Biofuels volumes are capped by law I believe.
I think the world will keep on needing both conventional and synthetic crudes and that’s the expectation of the industry as well. Total fleet turnover in the US is still 17 years. Ultimately it’s all a combined effect, car makers won’t produce too many electric cars if there’s no infrastructure in place to reload them, same with lpg and natgas.
So oil will remain the predominant hydrocarbon for liquid fuels at least for the next 15 years. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 10/17/2008 3:34 PM | Hi Ahmad,
How do you see the situation now that oil has fallen way below $100 USD? Will this price movement in the current economic turmoil result in an increase in demand?
Also, do you feel the oil price will remain less than a $100 for an extended period of time and if so, is this going to cause any pain for oil rich countries that might have been banking on higher oil prices? |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 10/17/2008 3:47 PM | |
Dear Greg,
short answer as i'm writting a piece onthat precise issue:
1. Demand has been damaged irreversibly like after the second oil shock. we are now in a period of seeking alternatives forms of transportation and production. there's a slight demand increase from cash rich countries to rebuild storage but that 's just a blip.
2. we will remain below $100 for a considerable time as we progress into a deflationary period.
3. it needs not cause pain to rich oil countries if the dollar keep appreciating. while their revenues will be somewhat less, in real terms they should be perfectly acceptable especially to those country that peg to the $. (see last week GaveKal Weekly Energy).
more answer to come in an AdHoc early next week
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| Posted By : Anonymous Client - 10/22/2008 3:04 PM | I am a bit confused and was wondering if you could help me -
According to the IEA's October's numbers, worldwide demand for oil has averaged 86.5mb/day or up 0.5% from 2007. And supply in September declined by 1.1mb/day to 85.6....
So, it is clear that demand is still rising whereas supplies are tight - so why is the price of oil dropping? Is it because of speculators or am I missing something....Marginal cost of production is now $90 from various sources so why this sharp decline? |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 10/22/2008 3:07 PM | |
The IEA is a bit behind the curve to put it mildly. I personally assess world demand in September close to 85.8 not 86.5. the IEA overestimates US demand and is trying to catch-up. In any case yes there’s been supply disruption in the US Gulf of Mexico from two hurricanes and a greater part of the deficit in Sept is due to oil being held at sea. There has been supply disruption in the Caucasus as well in the Baku pipeline that blew up in Turkey. As a result stocks were drawn down in Europe.
Demand in the US is appalling as it is in the rest of the OECD. Still some question marks over EMs demand. I believe China is taking advantage to store a bit of oil in its SPR too. End year 2008 will show zero growth in demand or close enough to zero and ditto for next year if not negative demand. As a result OPEC spare capacity is climbing and should reach an extra 1Mbd for a total of over 3Mbd. That excludes the 900kb of new Saudi fields. So the total should be close enough to 4Mbd. Remember that tight supply demand balances were one of the main arguments for the bull-run. That is easing now.
The cost of production of unconventional oil is bound to be falling as all cost factors are falling the world over. I do not believe it ever reached $90 but even if it did due to demand falling the marginal barrel is now found at a lower marginal cost anyway.
Right now we are seeing a huge amount of deleveraging across all markets. In my view oil has removed all the excess speculation of the first half of this year and is now trying to find fair value in a fast changing environment. The bull-run and all the news that fed it is gone. You’ll need to re-assess much closer to fundamentals. For now demand is done, inventories are rising. The next step is for buying to ease and inventories to ease and OPEC to cut and spare capacity to rise. That should translate into a bearish price environment especially more so for next year. We won’t see $100 anytime soon, all things equal. The big inflation play with oil is dead and over.
I hope that helps. Do not hesitate to ask questions on the Energy Weekly publication too as I try to get closer to the trading environment. |

| Posted By : Anonymous Client - 10/22/2008 3:20 PM | How are you so sure that OPEC has spare capacity of 3mb/day excluding 900,000 b/day from Saudi Arabia? where did you get the figures from?
And, what do have to say about the very experienced petroleum geologists (Dreffyes, Campbell) plus Matt Simmons and the ASPO guys who are convinced about Peak Oil? Surely, they have decades of experience and no vested interest - why would they spread propaganda? |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 10/22/2008 3:23 PM | |
OPEC’s production is reported by various specialised data vendors, among them Reuters, Platts, Argus etc. OPEC 10 supply in September was 30.4Mbd + 2.37Mbd; out of Iraq makes 32.77Mbd. Total OPEC capacity is 35.17Mbd. Its spare capacity in Sept was 2.4Mbd therefore. If OPEC cuts by 1Mbd to year end its spare capacity will be 3.4Mbd. if you add 900kbd of new fields in Saudia that’s 4.3Mbd. if you remove a very generous 500kbd of decline in older Saudi fields the Net is 3.8Mbd spare capacity for next year on the OPEC side alone.
These are the numbers I’ve come up with and that seems to be close enough to consensus.
However much Dreyfus, Campbell and Simmons argue it is a matter of fact that demand is collapsing. So I guess they’ll have to revise their peak oil theory further in the future, which is a good thing if you think about it. |

| Posted By : Anonymous Client - 10/22/2008 3:44 PM | | IEA states that effective OPEC spare capacity stands at 2.1 mb/d. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 10/22/2008 3:46 PM | |
That’s because the IEA is still overestimating demand by 500kbd. Once it revises it down spare capacity will de-facto increase. The IEA publishes its data once a month only but the situation is moving fast. Also data gets revised. |

| Posted By : Anonymous Client - 10/27/2008 5:39 PM | |
Watching the oil price fall I was wondering at what point places like Russia + middle east start to get into trouble in terms of cash flow/budget deficits etc? I seem to recall a figure of $50-60/barrel for Saudi Arabia. Must have implications for a price floor + political/social unrest + cash flows into SWFs (remember those?!) |

| Posted By : Louis Gave - 10/27/2008 5:40 PM | | I believe that Russia moved to a current account deficit at oil below US$70 and a budget deficit not long thereafter. Iran and Venezuela are also in trouble below US$60. Meanwhile, most of the arab nations have much more of a cushion although, as Ahmad has been pointing out, there has also been a serious increase in debt all across the middle east, to finance a property bubble which is now imploding. On that front, Dubai looks like it is into a lot of trouble and will have to be bailed out by Abu Dhabi |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 10/27/2008 5:42 PM | |
We should remember to use the yearly average price, which still stands at $110 for the Benchmark. Even if we subtract a good $10 for lesser quality crudes, most producing nations and IOCs are still within the $100 average so far.
Where it will get interesting is next year. My guess is that austerity budgets will become the buzz word for those that can; for those that can’t it will be painful. Yet the relationship is not as straight forward, for example inflation is clearly falling and fast. That was the biggest problem in most oil producing nations. Ditto the US$ is now rising so in real terms the fall in oil prices is not as bad as it seems.
In fact if oil stabilizes within the $60-$65 average next year, providing that the $ keeps on climbing, my guess is that most producing nations will do nearly as well in real terms revenues and certainly much better on the inflation side. While the net effect will be somewhat negative it will not be the end of the world. Obviously there are always nations who have a knack for blowing it-up whether oil is at $150 or at $10 a barrel ---but that can’t be helped. |

| Posted By : Anonymous Client - 11/18/2008 5:14 PM | |
Dear Gavekal,
Would it be possible to ask Ahmad if he can send me the study, or the article in which it is established that the cost of upgrading bitumen to higher-quality liquid is 5$ in Venezuela (as he writes in the last week's Energy Weekly)? |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 11/18/2008 5:15 PM | |
You should be able to get reports on estimated costs from the IEA, McKenzy, the Oil Journal and any other specialized publications. 80% of all oil production cost are below $20/bbl. If you look at the $/bbl paid for M&A in 2007 you will find that all deals went for less than $17/bbl valuation. If oil companies accept to sell themselves for less than $17/bbl that should tell you that $90/bbl is simply not the cost of the marginal barrel. But if a company wants to explore and produce from the most hostile and complex regions then there’s no end to how much it may cost. The question is whether that oil is required and in truth it isn’t thus the projects costing $90/bbl simply won’t see the light of day.
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| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 12/4/2008 6:40 PM | Hi Ahmad,
Do you think now that oil prices have fallen that eventually there will be supply problems as projects are shelved and exploration is cut back? I wonder what price levels were factored in for new oil projects over the next fews?
I guess the old black gold in Antarctica is safe for a few years more.
Cheers,
Greg |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 12/4/2008 8:01 PM | Dear Greg,
Indeed this may be a problem under the assumption that oil demand will keep growing come what may. I am of the opinion that the peak in demand was seen probably last year and that number won't be seen for many years to come. I would quote Shaikh Yamani whom I met last week: "Today's consumers will never forget the high price of oil they have just seen". I guess he was speaking from experience and our Peak Demand paper last May was precisely to warn readers that demand could remain weak for a great many years.
But that's for the demand side. For the supply side, the Upstream Capital Cost Index chart we show in today's Checking the Boxes, highlights the impact cost push inflation had on upstream project cost, namely a doubling of costs between 2004 and H1-2008. So you are quite right to ask what was the price level factored for new projects. My understanding, after talking to several E&P specialists, is that at most only 500Kbd (probably 300Kbd) of unconventional oil reached very high project cost this year (around $80). Now project cost is not operating cost and the later is much lower. In any case I'm fairly certain that these 500Kbd are the only bad investment around. If the demand side is not there these projects will be kept idle. if the demand is there then either the price of a barrel reaches back to $80 or the fields owners decide to produce by purely looking at operating costs (under $40) in the hope to recover Capex in later years.
Projects that have been shelved are not a problem
1. they can be restarted later. 2. with all input costs collapsing around the world (steel, cement, transport, wages, services etc.) that should greatly benefit FUTURE projects viability
The problem therefore are with existing projects entered at very high Capex and as i said earlier the volume of barrels in those is max 500kbd. Saudi Arabia is adding 2Mbd by end of next year, demand is falling, spare capacity is rising so for the next two years at least these "bad" 500kbd won't be called for. On the other hand costs are falling.
So the worst outcome is again a relatively short period of time (18-24 months) to bring shelved projects to commercialization and having to rely on these 500kbd in the mean time. in a sense this is what some players are looking at as they bid the back end of the forward curve to about $82. I've had a lot of discussion on that price. My opinion is that the more the prompt end of the curve falls the greater the incentive to sell the back-end to narrow an abnormal contango, especially more so if we get a strong sense that next year's demand is going to be negative. If one thinks that 2015 ought to have a price of $82/bbl then better play that with calls options rather than futures, at least that would be an investment with a maximum 100% loss rather than unlimited loss that futures can bring. Besides being long futures today is a negative carry.
To conclude we should ask ourselves why projects are being shelved? is it because of cost push inflation which is falling fast? or is it because producers are not so certain about the demand side? probably a combination of both.
Ahmad |

| Posted By : Rob Hawcroft - 12/4/2008 10:02 PM | Ahmad,
As oil fields deplete dont you constanly need to bring new fields on stream just to maintain current production levels?
Rob |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 12/4/2008 11:07 PM | |
Dear Rob,
Yes you do but there is a big misunderstanding about depletion.
- All fields deplete yet technology is constantly improving and is yielding greater extraction rates. These Enhanced Oil Recovery technologies can have substantial impact on production (see attached chart for example). The average yield worldwide is about 30% recovery. I have no doubt that the average will keep on improving. in 1960 total oil reserves were estimated at 300bn bbl yet over the following 40 years 760bn bbl have been produced!
- Again technology allows us to get oil from new frontiers that we couldn't possibly explore a mere 10 years ago. Example deep offshore subsalt discoveries in Brazil (up to 100bn bbl?) or Palaeocene rock discoveries in the North Sea.
- Some areas of the world have still not been surveyed. 2/3 of Libya has not been surveyed, a greater part of the empty quarter hasn't, very deep offshore etc.
- The impacts of geopolitics have been appalling for oil production. In fact we currently live in an upside-down world where oil companies are chasing after the most complex and tech intensive fields whereas the majority of the oil to be available lies in easy onshore regions. Iraq comes to mind which could triple production rates or Iran who could produce a third more as it did before the revolution, etc.
The bottom line is not a problem with the amount of oil stock which is huge (over 1 trillion barrels in Venezuela alone) but with flows, i.e. production rates. Technology, Investment and Politics are the main hurdles or enablers.
So I'd like to think of the cup being half full rather than half empty as our Peakoil friends think. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 12/19/2008 8:10 AM | Ahmad,
I have read through your posts here a few times and I have to say that you have written the most articulate and easy to understand explanation of the factors behind oil prices that I have ever read. Being a person with an engineering background, I appreciate your analysis which is more fact based than a lot of material flying around these days. (a lot of people seem to think just looking at trends is analysis these days)
Thanks again for your excellent answers and explanations!
Cheers!
Greg |

| Posted By : Rob Hawcroft - 12/21/2008 7:29 AM | | I think Ahmad made a series of good calls. I wasnt surprised to see oil come well below $100 but to see it this low is a bit surprising, however PMIs have collapsed recently. I guess the trick will be timing the upside and after this near heart attack the main OPEC producers will think twice about bringing any new supply on. |

| Posted By : Marco Parigi - 12/23/2008 10:17 PM | Dear Ahmad,
I'd be curious to know your view on this alternative explanation of what has happened to the price of oil over the last months.
http://www.pkverlegerllc.com/080910%20PKV%20On%20Masters.pdf
http://www.pkverlegerllc.com/TIE0807.PDF |

| Posted By : Rob Hawcroft - 3/14/2009 5:53 AM | http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2237250/first-solar-reaches-dollar-per
I dont believe in Ahmad's peak demand story, but this article suggests a major upheaval in the next five years regarding base load electricity generation, in particular in Europe where electricity costs are highest. I think in 5 years there is every possibility for 30% or so of developed market electricity to be alternatively generated. |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 3/16/2009 2:28 PM | |
To make sure it is well understood the Peak Demand paper refers to demand for petroleum having peaked in 2007 and keeping lower for a considerable time. Not for total energy demand having peaked. Total energy demand should keep on increasing and the more so as more renewables finds their way to market. We are talking substitution effects not total collapse. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 5/13/2009 8:56 PM | Ahmad, understood.
I guess Japan is a pretty good example in terms of a nation putting a lid on oil consumption? |

| Posted By : Ahmad Abdallah - 5/14/2009 10:33 AM | Dear Greg,
Japan has been putting a lid on its oil consumption since 1980 and like Europe has never consumed more than it did in 1979, apart from one year or two in 2000. Japan's demographics as well as strong technology improvement in transport efficiencies should see Japan's oil demand keep to a structural decline. And with Japan being a leader on hybrid technology my guess is that the dowtrend in Japan's oil consumption should accelerate.
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| Posted By : Rob Hawcroft - 5/20/2009 12:11 AM | http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/19052009/323/petrobras-agrees-10-bln-loan-chinese-bank.html
china squeezing the idiots running the western countries out is a necessary attribute of a sustained energy price rally - or even a medium term energy crisis. |

| Posted By : Greg Atkinson - 6/10/2009 7:51 AM | Ahmad,
I am going out on a limb here but couldn't peak demand also apply to such things as coal? Back in my home country (Australia) they are putting a lot of hope in clean coal but isn't possible that we will see a peak demand situation reached for coal as say nuclear power plants come online and we use energy more efficiently?
Cheers,
Greg |
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